Simulating Green Beard Altruism

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  • Primer

    Primer

    Mánuði síðan

    Lots of comments relate to racism, so I think it's worth discussing that a little.
    Racism in humans is a very complex phenomenon that can't be simply traced to genes. To be honest, I don't think I really understand racism, but I'm confident saying a full understanding would take inputs from biology, psychology, sociology, and history, perhaps more. But as the video explains, the green beard phenomenon is very brittle and rarely shows up in nature, so it's not an explanation, and certainly not a justification for something as complex as racism.
    Thanks for reading, and be kind to each other. :)

    • Benjamin Fu

      Benjamin Fu

      29 dögum síðan

      gta v

    • Benjamin Fu

      Benjamin Fu

      29 dögum síðan

      ims so cinge

    • Benjamin Fu

      Benjamin Fu

      29 dögum síðan

      We gottem folks, gg

    • Benjamin Fu

      Benjamin Fu

      29 dögum síðan

      I think this is enough replies

    • Benjamin Fu

      Benjamin Fu

      29 dögum síðan

      22=4

  • Dr. SecondAid

    Dr. SecondAid

    2 klukkustundum síðan

    10:15 SUS SUS HE SAID IMPOSTER RED SUS RED IMPSOTER RHES THE IMPSOTER EJEC THIM HES THE IMPSOTKER GUYS HE SAID RED IT IMPSOTER OMGA

  • Gamedev Gamer

    Gamedev Gamer

    4 klukkustundum síðan

    What about loyalty?

  • wormcomb

    wormcomb

    15 klukkustundum síðan

    got an ad for brilliant before the video

  • Some Rando

    Some Rando

    Degi Síðan síðan

    Look all I am saying is that if the red impostors have been kicked out of 109 countries maybe there is a reason for it.

  • Salem Sehiri

    Salem Sehiri

    Degi Síðan síðan

    RED SUS IMPOSTER?? 10:20

  • hamsterdoom360

    hamsterdoom360

    Degi Síðan síðan

    I wonder if an empathy flag would help the altruism trait flourish. Any time a blob is helped by a green beard, the help-ee would develop "empathy", giving them a small percent chance to pay it forward and possibly develop into a true green beard over time.

  • Kuba

    Kuba

    Degi Síðan síðan

    I love this animations :)

  • Professoar

    Professoar

    Degi Síðan síðan

    Where are the yellow guys? I can't even see any of them @o@. Oh nevermind, the gene is hidden underneath the outside profile. I get it now.

  • WD W

    WD W

    2 dögum síðan

    when the imposter is sus

  • Geert Kok

    Geert Kok

    2 dögum síðan

    Maybe you could make it that one of every species lives on forever. Kind of Noah's ark.... Blink, blink... Say no more

  • Geert Kok

    Geert Kok

    2 dögum síðan

    Let's change the environment because evolution did not work as expected? Altruism is bad?
    What if death does not matter with God? Where is evolution then?

  • Mathew Martell

    Mathew Martell

    2 dögum síðan

    Look Tomar, Its you

  • Siu Yin Wong

    Siu Yin Wong

    2 dögum síðan

    10

  • Amelia Fantasia

    Amelia Fantasia

    3 dögum síðan

    The racism thread seems to be full, but I wanna share my two bits on it:
    Racism is extremely simple: "Person is different from me, I don't like that." You see this all over the place in all kinds of different forms. Men vs women, straight vs gay, old vs young, political parties, and so on.
    "Is there a biological connection?" I don't know. But I know I've seen cats - who were otherwise friends - become nervous when a "friend" suddenly comes home with a lion cut or something like that. Maybe it has something to do with getting away from predators, or, something.

  • Pham-Ngoc Hanh

    Pham-Ngoc Hanh

    3 dögum síðan

    10:16 altruism is kinda sus

  • AddictedFoolGamer

    AddictedFoolGamer

    3 dögum síðan

    I never had great success with maths as my teachers were evil and uninspiring. But I love your simple and easy to follow descriptions and experiments without putting too much ‘behind the scenes’ programming. Thank you

  • Noah Gassler

    Noah Gassler

    3 dögum síðan

    so basically, it pays to virtue-signal and not risk yourself for anyone

  • Definitely Not A Dimension Guide

    Definitely Not A Dimension Guide

    3 dögum síðan

    “Not gonna lie guys, that red dude is kinda sus—“
    *”Wait where did he and Green go?”*

    • Aндрей Оверченко

      Aндрей Оверченко

      Degi Síðan síðan

      Amogus

  • SpeakMouthWords

    SpeakMouthWords

    3 dögum síðan

    Wait I thought this video was about Tomar

  • The Yellow

    The Yellow

    3 dögum síðan

    hey Tomar, it's you

  • Rae

    Rae

    3 dögum síðan

    If you want to code for altruism in humans, make it possible for two creatures to work together simultaneously (thereby knocking the predator out for a generation and both surviving) and have two offspring per person if they both work together.

  • greg thomas

    greg thomas

    3 dögum síðan

    This video proves the Earth is flat.

  • Csaba Banki

    Csaba Banki

    4 dögum síðan

    If this had any logic or relation to real-life scenarios then it could be used as data for genetics. This way, it is just an entertaining video.

  • burned head

    burned head

    4 dögum síðan

    Btw this isn't an altruism simulation it's a racism simulation. Just replace "green beard" with white, or jewish...

  • Undead_Inside

    Undead_Inside

    4 dögum síðan

    Look Tomar it's YOU!

  • Spook Sam

    Spook Sam

    4 dögum síðan

    10:19 RED IS SUS

  • Krzysztof Kozłowski

    Krzysztof Kozłowski

    4 dögum síðan

    Why is my brain like "It definitely says simulating bird autism"

  • CaptainKalus

    CaptainKalus

    4 dögum síðan

    I think something these simulations miss out on is that it takes 2 to reproduce, and that often you want to help someone who is just as strong as you

  • Rabbi Herschel Lieberman-Bergblattstein

    Rabbi Herschel Lieberman-Bergblattstein

    4 dögum síðan

    In real life, the imposters have big hooked noses, tiny hats, and names that end in -berg or -stein.

  • Rabbi Herschel Lieberman-Bergblattstein

    Rabbi Herschel Lieberman-Bergblattstein

    4 dögum síðan

    Racism is good, actually.

  • Migue Calabria

    Migue Calabria

    5 dögum síðan

    Ey can you simulate what could happend in a zombie apocalypse? With the panic and that stuff? You are the boss

  • Patrick Ribeiro Edelman

    Patrick Ribeiro Edelman

    5 dögum síðan

    You guys don't understand how much Primer loves and cares about his fans
    And that's why this is pinned

  • Filip H

    Filip H

    5 dögum síðan

    whats the program you are using?

  • Throw Away

    Throw Away

    5 dögum síðan

    I want a green beard blob plushie

  • Tom Rea

    Tom Rea

    5 dögum síðan

    So this is how tribalism evolved?

  • TheModer8ter

    TheModer8ter

    5 dögum síðan

    John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

  • most likely a person

    most likely a person

    5 dögum síðan

    Were are these next videos you always talk about?

  • MaynardByron

    MaynardByron

    5 dögum síðan

    you litterally made my day

  • PanGalaxy

    PanGalaxy

    5 dögum síðan

    Joshua Tomar simulator

  • 제규형

    제규형

    6 dögum síðan

    The ideas of Altruism has always intrigued me and the way you explained them through genes was quite interesting and believable as well. Thanks for posting this video and I hope to see more content from you! Cheers!

  • Anon Jo

    Anon Jo

    6 dögum síðan

    my heart goes out to the altruistic green beards with imposter syndrome

  • Jean Dunham

    Jean Dunham

    6 dögum síðan

    I think that a cowardly one getting warned should have a chance of becoming altruistic

  • Kiran Loon

    Kiran Loon

    6 dögum síðan

    When my blob see a pretattor
    Blob:RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Zeek Everest

    Zeek Everest

    6 dögum síðan

    I'd have liked to see the regular altruism with the 50% chance of sacrifice, but with the cowardice also having a change to get eaten when it runs (say, 10 or 25%)

  • Bunk's Revenge

    Bunk's Revenge

    6 dögum síðan

    I would love to see you run this sim again, but with one change: cowards can learn altruism and altruists can be cowardly (from learning behaviour by way of repeated observation)
    If a blob sees cowardly or altruistic behaviour more than once, there is a 50/50 chance that their behaviour flips.
    Then it would be cool to see this ran further with 'only yellows can learn' or 'only blues can learn' as variants.
    Cool vid - thanks :)

  • Panos k

    Panos k

    6 dögum síðan

    *a m o g u s*

  • DeltaVortex

    DeltaVortex

    6 dögum síðan

    he is god in this reality

  • A Fez

    A Fez

    7 dögum síðan

    I feel if they didn't reproduce asexually the altruism gene would become better.

  • cutekittenlady

    cutekittenlady

    7 dögum síðan

    I can't pretend to be either a geneticist or a sociologist but this really feels more like a social simulation than a genetic one. Like, I know the dude said it was super simplified since there's an insane amount of factors going into this stuff, but it still feels like ignoring those other factors and how observed behaviors affect later actions create the implication that altruism isn't a survival trait even though we know it still exists in people and therefore kinda *has* to have been in some way successful. At least if you connect things like altruism to genetics.
    Course all of that is just to say that, depending on the environmental factors, removing all the "altruistic" traits from a population could potentially lead to extinction in the long run since "every man (or in this case blob) to himself" is a survival trait that doesn't tend to last super long in a lot of social structures.

  • Linus Sievers

    Linus Sievers

    7 dögum síðan

    0:09 my brain: COMMUISISM

  • Socksy _

    Socksy _

    7 dögum síðan

    Not to mention the short timespan of humans. If the blobs have kids every day, then the 60 day trials are like... 60 generations of people, right? What were our ideas on altruism 60 generations ago IRL? You went up to like 300 days in some trials, which must be on the brink of the invention of the wheel for humans, right?

  • Chris

    Chris

    7 dögum síðan

    its not altuism, this is just racism?

  • Enchanternick

    Enchanternick

    7 dögum síðan

    Can you do a simulation of people in traffic. One are calm drivers that stick to 1 lane and will let others in front when they want. The others are fast drivers that switch to the faster lane and will never let anyone ahead. See what happens to the flow. I'd love to see it happen

    • EnigmaGaming

      EnigmaGaming

      5 dögum síðan

      This is a great idea.

  • David Hilsee

    David Hilsee

    7 dögum síðan

    10:13 I really hope that was intentional

  • Pelle Rosell Olesen

    Pelle Rosell Olesen

    7 dögum síðan

    Fun with simulation - thanks!

  • Most Awesome Flyer

    Most Awesome Flyer

    8 dögum síðan

    No beard blob: your only saving other green beards!
    Green beard blob: yes

  • Martin Wood

    Martin Wood

    8 dögum síðan

    The predators are part of the ecosystem too. The more blobs they eat, the more they will survive to reproduce, so there will be fewer blobs to go around, so the predators will be less well fed, so they will survive to reproduce less effectively etc. And don't forget about the trees!

  • Kiran Loon

    Kiran Loon

    8 dögum síðan

    I tought the impostor get voted out

  • Jérome Kerviel

    Jérome Kerviel

    8 dögum síðan

    I think it is better to think of early humans (like hunter gatherers) in small groups and study the survival rate of these entire group, and not as in this simulation, the relative rate of kind of people in a large city. Then if the predator is more aggressive than in the simulation, egoist behavior could lead entire egoist groups to exctinction very fast! Altruism is strictly better with the parameters used in the simulation (even, like, 99% death rate for altruists when they ring the alarm), so we should see altruistic groups go extinct less often. Since early humans looked for mates a bit inside, a bit outside the tribe, the altruistic gene would spread quickly (and even altruistic groups would grow in size).

  • Gregory Selck

    Gregory Selck

    8 dögum síðan

    This is really to simple of a model to demonstate anything other than a game.

  • Jaxon Stocker

    Jaxon Stocker

    8 dögum síðan

    Tomar? Is that you?

  • Addison Brendtro

    Addison Brendtro

    8 dögum síðan

    Am I the only one who thought he was going to be talking about somebody's beard?

  • Patricio Silva

    Patricio Silva

    8 dögum síðan

    One thing you can add is that altruism may be contagious, for example an impostor or a coward could have a 20% chance becoming altruistic after being saved, maybe that could be a solution even though i think that stops being a "genetic point of view" 😅

  • It’s Ya boi

    It’s Ya boi

    9 dögum síðan

    Isn’t this just tribalism

  • J Vorhees

    J Vorhees

    9 dögum síðan

    Look Tomar that's you.

  • Dmytro Parkhomenko

    Dmytro Parkhomenko

    9 dögum síðan

    7:09 Green beards did nothing to drive covards to extinction. Covards did it to themselves. Green beards only helped their kind to survive.

  • Dungeon Dogs

    Dungeon Dogs

    9 dögum síðan

    As one notable behavioural scientist once said, and I loosely quote, "Characterizing behaviour is like finding the area of a rectangle. You have to have two parameters, height and width. As the area of a rectangle, behaviour is characterized by genes and the environment. The more you focus on one thing the effect of the other will fade away and your results will be completely wrong."
    I see you have only considered genes in this simulation. Therefore, I'm not taking this simulation as a valid argument of how altruism works.
    P.S: Don't get me wrong. I've been a huge fan of your work for a long time. And will continue to be so.

  • Gira

    Gira

    9 dögum síðan

    "Look tomar, it's you."

  • Traves Cot Burger

    Traves Cot Burger

    9 dögum síðan

    10:19 SUS RED SUS SUSSY

  • Cinderheart MLP

    Cinderheart MLP

    9 dögum síðan

    Tribalism simulator.

  • bob potter

    bob potter

    9 dögum síðan

    I'm disappointed there are no comments about Deep Rock Galactic

  • recca12

    recca12

    9 dögum síðan

    This video blew up, I wonder if the numbers are fudged

  • Popilishis

    Popilishis

    9 dögum síðan

    look tomar its you!

  • Albert Wesker

    Albert Wesker

    10 dögum síðan

    Survival isn’t cowardice lol, what a human thing to be degrading towards those who want to survive. I’m all about being altruistic, but calling it cowardice adds bias to your experiment imo. Should of called it “self preservation”.

  • romain duquesne

    romain duquesne

    10 dögum síðan

    In this video, we don't really test biological aspects but rather behavioural ones.
    As a consequence, it would be interesting when looking about behaviour or morality to stop calling theses genes but "traits", taught by the parent. Regarding transmission, parents raise their children (as in real life) hence transmitting their traits. This could lead to events called "change of behaviour". For example, a coward saved by an altruist (sucker or green beard) would become altruist after recognising the value of such gesture. On the other hand a "sucker" could become a green beard if it had the chance to save another soul. In this later case, the community recognises the quality of this person. We could add so much complexity to any of these simulations, it is amazing what you are doing thank you.
    End note: it would be important to change the vocabulary as young people also tend to watch your amazing vids in order not to confuse them between what is biological (fixed over the entire duration of your life) and what's behavioural (things learnt that can be unlearnt)

  • AngadSEO

    AngadSEO

    10 dögum síðan

    Primer it's been a whole month now when are we getting a new video

  • weckar

    weckar

    10 dögum síðan

    I notice the old video on altruism has been removed? I am so confused.

  • Chaosvolt

    Chaosvolt

    10 dögum síðan

    Models two (cowardly vs altruistic blobs, 50% chance of death if altruism triggers) and three (cowardly vs altruistic blobs, 10% chance of death if altruism triggers) appear to have the results they have due to a MAJOR procedural flaw: no mention is made of whether cowardly blobs can fail to escape predators. The observer can only assume that cowardly blobs will always escape predation, making their survival inevitable.
    That concern aside, I personally suspect that the simplistic coward/altruist model could have been more successful in an environment with a higher proportion of hazardous trees to safe trees. My reasoning is that the effectiveness of a warning call increases the more blobs are warned off by it. There is still the risk that the cycle will just repeat until the altruists have yelled themselves to death until there's not enough altruists visiting the same tree to benefit from this effect, and the additional risk that a high enough predator population might decimate all of the blobs outright, but it is feasible that the simplified model might achieve equilibrium under some circumstances.
    Though in practice, even if cowardly blobs can fail to run away, there's also the flaw that there's no elaboration concerning how effective warning calls are relative to cowardly behavior. Can the warning call fail to alert blobs? Will the chance of a cowardly blob attempting to flee be affected by the presence of a warning call, and if so by how much?
    EDIT: The green beard sim has the same flaws, and relies on the assumption that the cowardly blobs will completely ignore warning calls, so I'm just straight calling bullshit on the utility of this simulation.

  • Uhbliviun

    Uhbliviun

    10 dögum síðan

    bruh did you just unwittingly make a mathematical case against homogeneity and for ethnostates?
    nice

  • M H

    M H

    10 dögum síðan

    Question: Would you accept Romanian Dubs subs?

  • Lisioketchum Gamer

    Lisioketchum Gamer

    10 dögum síðan

    Red blob sUs

  • a. s.

    a. s.

    11 dögum síðan

    Coding for in-group bias works.

  • chaosincarna

    chaosincarna

    11 dögum síðan

    Decency is a weakness. Got it.

  • samdog166

    samdog166

    11 dögum síðan

    What’s the real estate market like there?

  • Dickweasle Assmaster

    Dickweasle Assmaster

    11 dögum síðan

    "The cowardice gene will be yellaw" Subtle, but a good one.

  • Skogi B

    Skogi B

    11 dögum síðan

    "The first to go are the suckers. They help, but no one helps them"
    Can't believe this man literally simulated white people

  • zept0

    zept0

    11 dögum síðan

    they are always gonna die but they will die on different times

  • Suicidaltourtise

    Suicidaltourtise

    11 dögum síðan

    ok i watched the fucking video youtube now please get out pf my reccomeneded

  • Bradly Huffman

    Bradly Huffman

    11 dögum síðan

    It would be really neat to see a variable on this that adds in a chance for blobs that were saved by altruism to gain the trait. Kind of a chance to develop morals.

  • Ciarán Bowie

    Ciarán Bowie

    11 dögum síðan

    Hey look, it's Tomar

  • Brooks Pearson

    Brooks Pearson

    11 dögum síðan

    What do you use to make these dude?

  • h3artonfire

    h3artonfire

    11 dögum síðan

    Loved the video. Would be cool to see as simulation where once cowards were saved by an altruist, they had some % chance to act in an altruistic way themselves.

  • Leo A

    Leo A

    11 dögum síðan

    look tomar it's you

  • Z-MK Gaming

    Z-MK Gaming

    11 dögum síðan

    I love these videos so much, I wish this was a game, I could just plug in the criteria and just watch it go.

  • Emutester

    Emutester

    12 dögum síðan

    look Tomar its you.

  • Johnny Steen

    Johnny Steen

    12 dögum síðan

    Now imagine if those impostors were altruistic towards each other but not the true beards, whereas the true beards were altruistic toward both. They'd have the beards support and they'd have control over every institution in the country. It would be a massacre.

  • john young

    john young

    12 dögum síðan

    So Altruism can be boiled down to simple Game Theory enforced by Natural Selection. So much for divine morality....

  • McG

    McG

    12 dögum síðan

    4:30 What happens when two altruism blobs at the same tree yelling to warn each other? Do they each have 10% death chance or just one of them do?

  • Krzysztof Pławski

    Krzysztof Pławski

    12 dögum síðan

    Maybe the danger of a predator should vary in scale and people should be altruistic if they are in low danger and cowardly if the threat is high?